James Mitchell, an analyst, asked during the JPM's earnings call:
"Okay, good morning. Jeremy, maybe a follow-up on the expense question and operating leverage question earlier. Understand completely longer term, no bank can generate perpetual operating leverage. If we look at year-to-date results, it's been a strong revenue environment, but I think operating leverage on an adjusted basis was negative. You alluded to some expense one-offs potentially. No question you're investing heavily and should be, so I get all that. Just when I think about the benefits of AI and technology generally, is there a time over the intermediate term where you think expense growth could slow a little and operating leverage kind of becomes more likely in a period of time over the next few years"
Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO responded:
"I'm just going to answer that by saying when you have great returns and very good margins, which actually went up this quarter, not down."
"The notion that somehow you can forever increase your operating leverage is a crazy notion. We don't have that. I think it's part of the reason why banks failed, if you go back 20 years ago. We're never going to have that point of view. AI will have its gives and takes. We can't project. I do think you might actually see a slowdown in growth, maybe a slowdown in 2027 or 2028. The teams are looking at all of our opportunities, and we pointed out over and over again when we have an opportunity to spend more money in marketing, with deposit ROI, we're going to do it. We're not going to have false gods. We have to pray that we can't do something really smart."
"I've also pointed out over and continuously that some expenses, if you accounted for them as investments, that they have very good returns, but they're expensive in the short run. AI still remains to be seen because the other thing I think about AI, which is a little bit different than everybody else, is you don't uniquely benefit from AI. The ultimate beneficiary of AI will be our customers. In a competitive capitalist world, we always use AI to do a better job for the customers, and we can't just say, "Oh, it's going to increase our margins and we're going to keep that." If that were true, our margins would be 80% today because of computerization over the last 20 years."